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Message 1363 - Posted: 17 Jan 2017, 16:15:47 UTC
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Hi,

I was wondering if there will be a new app along anytime soon? I love the 4 that are going, but there's no such thing as too many NCI apps ;) I'd love to do as much work as I can for the project as well as earning credits, so more apps would be nice :).

EDIT: To aid the project's progression and to allow users to gain more points, could you even subdivide each app? By this, I mean have Monkeys V1 and Monkeys V1.1 (for example) doing exactly the same project, but so the computer can have 2 WUs for it at once? (I think that makes sense...)

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Message 1364 - Posted: 18 Jan 2017, 1:34:24 UTC

Your edit question is already an option if you just run multiple clients on the same machine.

Quite frankly it is still my opinion that each work unit is way over credit for the resources used. Many bitched and complained about how Bitcoin Utopia scored and it was based on traditional metric comparisons. Once people start adopting multiple clients more, you will find people complaining more about the points awarded. Just food for thought.
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Message 1365 - Posted: 18 Jan 2017, 17:08:02 UTC

But how would one install multiple clients on one machine?
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Message 1366 - Posted: 18 Jan 2017, 20:09:12 UTC - in response to Message 1365.

But how would one install multiple clients on one machine?


There is only one installation. Several instances are opened. The badge goals are so large the only way to reach them is to run thousands of instances.

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Message 1367 - Posted: 18 Jan 2017, 23:48:07 UTC - in response to Message 1365.
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But how would one install multiple clients on one machine?


There's lots of different ways of doing this. You can setup a virtual machine, you can run multiple instances of Boinc from the command line and I think you can edit Boinc to run lots of instances (I don't know how this is done so don't ask). There are other ways too, like buying cheap Android devices, you just have to use your imagination!

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Message 1368 - Posted: 18 Jan 2017, 23:53:49 UTC

Don't forget the use of docker in Linux as well.
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Message 1369 - Posted: 19 Jan 2017, 4:37:06 UTC - in response to Message 1367.

But how would one install multiple clients on one machine?


There's lots of different ways of doing this. You can setup a virtual machine, you can run multiple instances of Boinc from the command line and I think you can edit Boinc to run lots of instances (I don't know how this is done so don't ask). There are other ways too, like buying cheap Android devices, you just have to use your imagination!

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I want to get bunch of cheap ARM devices at some point, but so far I haven't been impressed with their performance per watt when doing actual work as of yet. At the rate they have been improving I hope it will not be much longer before they are several times more efficient.

I think it will be interesting once the project is able to deploy the CPU app as well. Then I can put some of my dual E5-2670's to work here as well.
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Message 1370 - Posted: 19 Jan 2017, 11:17:22 UTC - in response to Message 1363.

Hi,

I was wondering if there will be a new app along anytime soon? I love the 4 that are going, but there's no such thing as too many NCI apps ;) I'd love to do as much work as I can for the project as well as earning credits, so more apps would be nice :).

EDIT: To aid the project's progression and to allow users to gain more points, could you even subdivide each app? By this, I mean have Monkeys V1 and Monkeys V1.1 (for example) doing exactly the same project, but so the computer can have 2 WUs for it at once? (I think that makes sense...)

Thanks,
UBT - Chris

Of course I can create Monkeys 1.1 ... Monkeys 1.1000 but it doesn't have any sense for now <- it's why I stopped ban multi instances hosts.

Even I tested some small grid for monkeys <- 8x virtualbox (2xVCPU, 2GB ram, 10GB disk on debian 8.6 x64) and 275 instances on each, but performance were awfull.
I have to try do it directly on my host system not in VM <- but right now I don't have time :(

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Message 1371 - Posted: 19 Jan 2017, 16:19:37 UTC - in response to Message 1370.

Hi,

I was wondering if there will be a new app along anytime soon? I love the 4 that are going, but there's no such thing as too many NCI apps ;) I'd love to do as much work as I can for the project as well as earning credits, so more apps would be nice :).

EDIT: To aid the project's progression and to allow users to gain more points, could you even subdivide each app? By this, I mean have Monkeys V1 and Monkeys V1.1 (for example) doing exactly the same project, but so the computer can have 2 WUs for it at once? (I think that makes sense...)

Thanks,
UBT - Chris

Of course I can create Monkeys 1.1 ... Monkeys 1.1000 but it doesn't have any sense for now <- it's why I stopped ban multi instances hosts.

Even I tested some small grid for monkeys <- 8x virtualbox (2xVCPU, 2GB ram, 10GB disk on debian 8.6 x64) and 275 instances on each, but performance were awfull.
I have to try do it directly on my host system not in VM <- but right now I don't have time :(


Well if each work unit used ~4MB Ram then you would need 4.4GB RAM just for work units plus the RAM for the host OS. Try upping the memory for the VM and see if it improves.

On a side note, VM's I had working in the past with multiple clients just fine seem to be a lot more sensitive now. Not sure what changed from then to now but it certainly is more fickle now. I was using Windows XP, 7 Pro x64, and 10 Pro x64.
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Message 1373 - Posted: 20 Jan 2017, 1:18:25 UTC - in response to Message 1371.

Hi,

I was wondering if there will be a new app along anytime soon? I love the 4 that are going, but there's no such thing as too many NCI apps ;) I'd love to do as much work as I can for the project as well as earning credits, so more apps would be nice :).

EDIT: To aid the project's progression and to allow users to gain more points, could you even subdivide each app? By this, I mean have Monkeys V1 and Monkeys V1.1 (for example) doing exactly the same project, but so the computer can have 2 WUs for it at once? (I think that makes sense...)

Thanks,
UBT - Chris

Of course I can create Monkeys 1.1 ... Monkeys 1.1000 but it doesn't have any sense for now <- it's why I stopped ban multi instances hosts.

Even I tested some small grid for monkeys <- 8x virtualbox (2xVCPU, 2GB ram, 10GB disk on debian 8.6 x64) and 275 instances on each, but performance were awfull.
I have to try do it directly on my host system not in VM <- but right now I don't have time :(


Well if each work unit used ~4MB Ram then you would need 4.4GB RAM just for work units plus the RAM for the host OS. Try upping the memory for the VM and see if it improves.

On a side note, VM's I had working in the past with multiple clients just fine seem to be a lot more sensitive now. Not sure what changed from then to now but it certainly is more fickle now. I was using Windows XP, 7 Pro x64, and 10 Pro x64.

On one of my old notebooks with 200 instances of BOINC the 800 Monkey apps run about 2.5GB total. The whole system normally uses about 4.6GB.
On that system I normally would run BOINC from a 16GB SDHC, but the SD card was just to slow. So I had to move BOINC to the SSD & I see a pretty solid 300KB/s of disk activity.
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Message 1375 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 15:58:35 UTC

Well.. I was basically simplifying the numbers as I'm seeing 8-10MB for each BOINC client + ~2MB each work unit. On the low end that will mean ~16MB for each instance. 18MB on the upper end. And then you will want a bit of a cushion just in case something spikes a bit or the OS wants a little more breathing room. I also don't recommend running CPU intensive within the same VM if you run several instances for Goofy. But that is just a recommendation. I would suggest running them int heir own VM or outside the VM's if you do it. I've had better results that way.
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